we've seen since the first of the year, and the cyclicals have lagged somewhat. i would be doing some rotating, believing the u.s. and global economy are going to be okay, i think some industrial and technology names make some sense. cheryl: all right. what are you avoiding right now? >> utilities still make me nestles. i think the fundamentals are mixed, and the stocks are fairly expensive. it was the place so many people went chasing yield and pushed the price of those stocks up quite a bit. so there's some telecommunications names that are okay, but most of the plain vanilla electric utilities, i think, are fully valued. cheryl: you've got some specific stock picks, and you like a few names, medtronic, that's interesting, mdt, pfizer, v.a.ler rah, northrup grumman. defense, interesting. but pfizer, health care. >> yeah. i think health care among the defensive group is the the most interesting. health care stocks, we think, have reasonable fundamentals and not expensive valuations.